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[[http://www.bosconet.aust.com/Powerpoint/sumday1bkok.ppt | Summary Day 1]]

[[http://www.bosconet.aust.com/Powerpoint/sumday2bkok.ppt | Summary Day 2]]

[[http://www.bosconet.aust.com/Powerpoint/sumday3bkok.ppt | Summary Day 3]]

[[http://www.bosconet.aust.com/Powerpoint/sumday4bkok.ppt | Summary Day 4]]

[[http://www.bosconet.aust.com/Powerpoint/rlnewpers.ppt | Religious Life - new perspectives in modern times]]

[[http://www.bosconet.aust.com/Powerpoint/rlparadigms.ppt | Religious Life - Paradigms]]

[[http://www.bosconet.aust.com/Powerpoint/2-Greek.ppt | Greek perspectives on person (philosophy)]]

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!!!!!DAY FOUR – JANUARY 5, 2008
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Vowed life and Consecrated Life – consecration for the mission, in our salesian understanding the vows are in the core values of the. In the integral model we find God – in own life, in the communion, in the world – the living God present in all, God who integrates everything. (Explaining the ‘main body’ structure of SDB Constitutions).
Challenge remaining: 1. Names to certain ‘practices’ – stressing just one element due to the historical, cultural situation – can vary from time to time. 2. The key is the process itself (5 aspects of Lonegan – experience, understanding, valuing – discernment, doing)

Mike introduction:
Where we start from? More powerful one, are the implicite assumptions – that I’m not aware about. How I imagine, that people change, that people learn? It’s important to know, where I stand: all these assumptions are important for the formative process. You hope, people would have in the team a basic agreement, how they understand the Church, RL, the process of learning, of vocational growth – it having a big impact on our work, on our preaching service as well. Yesterday we tried to look for paradigm – the whole set of practices, believes we carry on. We need, the formandi – ‘this is my hope for this year – this is my expectation’ – as formators in teaching. In our present time there teaching plan should be approved, also being supervised – this is not happening in our formation, there is no accountability. Who is my superviser – this is a key element in learning, but in RL circles we don’t! (maybe only hidden). We should keep our own assessment as formators, it keeps us in disadvantage. We try to sharpen – what should be done, what is the impact. It needs be monitored, talked about. This is the new thing about formation at the present time. The openness – people watching us, the best is to made the observations in the teaching (class), but never did see it ithe formation environment, just to be at mercy of the formators. We should have the same accountability as the secular teachers. Syllabus to be asked, it’s not our habit (dogma, philosophy), there is a dialogue between the professor and the students. (Irish story of 2.5 years to get the seminary professor to be accustomed to the teaching plans, curriculum, supervision).
Due to that, for two days we were looking at our assumptions about the church, the world, the religious life.

Feedback: Invite supervision into formation field? Somebody who is in touch with us – about celibacy, motivations – asking the expert to supervise. But some psychologist are not helpful to formation. The humanistic psychologist have problem with God experience. Big problems seen with that. For example – some psychologist presumed: if you were never sexually active, you can’t be mature” – don’t’ call this psychology. For example what do you teach in the novitiate about ‘celibacy’, how do you go to present it, in what paradigm?
That’s a working process, not many congregations are doing it. We should continue slowly.

EAO mobile: For the next 6 years we are in the process of personalization (Fr. Cereda’s direction for the future – if ever is in charge). In the vocational fragility survey – ‘there was no process’ in formation, the vocational accompaniment was lacking.

Some essentials of our ‘being religious – missionaries’?

We are lost in details, need to look continually about essentials. Ask the formandi ‘what does mean for the prenovices, novices’ express in the ‘power point’ presentation / or display. That is the methodology of integration for the formandi. It’s not banking, it’s participative. The student is the one who is the subject of the learning.

Fr. Mike showing some “Examples of one exercise of young candidates shown (ppt – international congregation)”:
Symbols of themes: angels, bible, prayer, priest – consecration, being more, like Jesus in, the listener – Jesus, loving presence (no need of telling I love you, but demonstrated in attitude, sharing of life – resources, listening to Father’s will
Trinitarian relationship in the RL, help to find God amidst the life, people listening together (summary of sisters group)
Group identity: Trinitarian spirituality, following Jesus – international congregations, in missionary service all over the world
Why are we doing this? God has put us here for his purpouse, God will accomplish his plan, with or without us, he has never withheld his calling (work) from his children, if they only ask; he want to join God the Father in His work, instead of asking him to join us in ours.
Fundamentals:  empowering choices of the candidates (without fear!)
OUR WAY                  HIS WAY (summary)
Personal agenda,              Empty hands
Cycle of fear                  Circle of faith
It’s all about me              It’s not about you
Chosen few                  Each one
Science politics              House of decisions
Joshua 24,15

Strategic foundation: God’s calling to us
(cost of the discipleship, after experience of his presence: mystiques and ascetism)
Mission (purpouse), Values (boundaries),…

What does it mean?
He is already calling you to join Him

We pray for?
Discernment
Discerning leaders
Wiling hands and minds
Resources

We celebrate what God has done in and through all… (now, not after my ordination)

This gives joy to God, mutual exchange with God (noble purpose – make God joyfull…) A shift from not offending God to willing participation in the God’s mission.

Symbol living
Symbol what is seen
What is not seen
Intuited reality –his presence, sensed

His mission for us
The mission of Trinity is..
Teaching, serving, reaching& sharing Christ…

Sharing in small groups:
It’s happening in the daily life (ex: during the gospel sharing, community planning and evalution, apostolate preparation and evaluation) ; as Jesus did, as Don Bosco did; asking questions, making formandi aware: KOR
Personal plan of life, formation plan (objectives given, but strategies made together in the formation community): FIN
God is transcendent and Incarnated, working through individuals and community (AUL)
God is totally immanent, because is totally transcendent and viceversa (CIN)
Supervision – matter of couching, help the disciples how to learn, to assimilate the skills. How can I work out (couch can teach the swimming, but everybody has the personal limitations, everybody can work out, what is the best for him). When we go back to our places, the follow up is very important – supervision of EAO mobile team is requested..
Mike:
‘Formator’ is big word (only in the RL context), better to talk about ‘mentor’. Latin words never works in English – formator is above the formandi,… ‘Facilitator’ sounds better.

Preliminary to the talk
PSYCHOLOGY in the philosophical roots                (ppt)
SELF and VIRTUES in Greek philosophy

Socrates – Courage – what kinds of courage?
Does not run away. Fighting is not ever courageous.  Too narrow and too broad.
Purity – single minded – pure heart, not narrowly applicated only to the 6&9.commandment.
All virtues are connected

Weakness of will
I know I should exercise
But I don’t’ want to
So I don’t.
Knowing the better.
Don’t the worse.
WHY? – common experience, if you ‘really know’ (Socrates)

Teaching  -  information is not enough.
NB: Reinoso – Virtue is the habit to do good. Human learning and growing.

Making distinctions – for the FORMATION PROCESS

Platons’ divided soul – an existential divided unity (possible fight each other/ or harmonized)

Rational element: (reason) -  thinks
Appetivive element: (desire) - wants
Spirited element: (will)    – feels

We should be careful not put the 3 elements against each other. If we overemphasize just one, the imbalance is creating the (in the church history: agree contra…) non productive formation growth – partial growth. Human growth is the harmonization of all 3 elements.
A huge importance for formation! We are looking for the internal consistency (Rulla).
Formation is to look for the consistency, to surface the

Agere sequitur esse! Action follows being, who you are!
If you have conflicts in yourself, you will show confusing actions!

Comparison to the chariot ( Plato’s soul) – a hidden reality (noble and not noble horse…)
So we help the formandi to verbalize their inner dynamics (desire vs. will, reason vs….) This is the being of humanity, these different kinds of conflicts.

Kinds of conflict
Conflicts put parts of the soul pull in different directions
Rational vs. appetitive element
Appetitive vs. spirited element
Rational vs. spirited element

Before you begin to start two conditions.
1.you know yourself
2.the humility to accept yourself as you are (being)- huge conditions for change
But we have many masks, patience, tolerance towards myself – to create the accepting attitude is the ground work, basis for growth. If you are hating, disliking yourself no way to grow.

Sharing – open forum
Without using the self-rejection, we bring it softly ‘if you like to be a salesian, you should ALSO be ready to change’.
It struck me a very subtle judgement, you imply a rejection – even if saying ‘an acceptance’. It’s not giving a challenge to the candidate?
Agree, but it’s at much later stage.
The other part would not happen without acceptance (=the change!)
Here and now, is the place you are loved.
The yearly years of formation slowly help them to accept them, only later on articulating and help them to discern. For this one the prenovitate stage is very important.
Who is the driver (charioteer?) = for Plato would be the higher self, for us differently.

A lot of our action is not sinful, it opens a large perspective.

A person is existencially divided unity, also experientially divided unity. The reason, the will, the appetites.

Recognize the ITM position. SDB showing, what should be the ideal Salesian. In such a way of forming, we are molding, when rather helping to grow the seed. Sometimes we say, here is a mango, but the vocational seed is a banana. And person is going out of the seminary, feeling he is not good enough because became banana and not mango.

We ‘close’ identity. It’s a matter of timing.

In past with the neophytes we formed salesian before forming Christians, also before human maturity.

The journey is more nuanced than the teaching

First step of self acceptance, self journey.

Formation Delegate meeting (October 2007) we recognized the Aspirantate should be longer, to prepare them better. To remove this time-frame is important.. But for the novitiate, there is a external pressure, “If I ndont’ take profession with my companions, ordained…in time. Becoming reject, slow learner”.

Plato is true, but not complete. Coming to it later.

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Virtue as rational control = as solution of this conflict
lot of our formation followed this path
subjecting the un-noble horses to the firm control of the driver (reason)
each must play his proper role

Now we miss teachers  to explain the concept of SIN clearly:
difficulty to express it
SIN: grave matter – clear knowledge – full consent (church criteria for mortal sin)
Plato forgot one element
With the primitive catechesis faithful, how do I describe in adult terms wrongdoing
Transition period in the Church: is not fruitful to the old formulas, with courage look for the new expressions.

Virtue as balance
Each part of the soul has its role to play, a function
Aristotle insight about GOODS
–  instrumental goods (desire is good in itself) ex: vows are good as instruments for union with God, following Jesus; in the DB’s diamond dream the vows are at the back…
intrinsic goods (desired for their own sake) ex:

Formation (should be tailored for the individual)
= stages, no class, group formation – in big numbers formation is ‘impossible’
= appropriate, proportionate, experiential, individual formation frame (Rulla)
= we form the concrete man/women (common - generic formation impossible: same exercice fit all, when the class breaks down, all collapses….)

Q: You can’t ask to have 30 minute meditation if they are not (proportionate goal according the personal capacity – starting with 5-10 minutes).


Happiness? What will make you happy? (Aristotle)
One thing is always desired for its own sake, never for the sake of something else: happiness
Happiness: eudaimonia = living well – flourishing
What does that’ require? Prosperity and luck, yes, but more.
Never for something else, only when something is desired for itself.
Adapted for the Relationship with God – desire God for Himself, not what he is giving me. (Frankl: Happiness is a by product)
If you live well, you are happy: Analogies – a good knife cuts well (= a good, happy knife; Good teacher – happy teacher, Good persons performs his life well, function?)
What is the function of the good person?

What is the function of the human being? = what is special about human being.
Basic question of Ignatius during the 40 days retreat
What is special about the human being (eyes – to see, teacher – to teach…)
Premise of the reason: human acts according the human reason (consistent)

Virtue – excellence
Two kinds – in rationality, intellectual virtue; in activity, moral virtue

Q: We can’t avoid that theology is based on a good philosophy, good knowledge of human nature.
Q: WE SDB since ever emphasize the ‘will power’ (see Dominic Savio –I want to become a saint!).
A: Agree – the will needs the rational soul, if not the will is blind. For the human growth we need the harmony. But you don’t tell him ‘you want this’, he must do by himself. [in the mall, I can just give you money for bying one doll. What is the dilemma of the child? Going around for one hour! He wants (really) all dolls! – it’s the same dilemma of Aristotle – Choose just one! Why did he throw just the new one? It’s too painful, since he wanted all, not just one. We should have the patience with the young, they should find by themselves what they want (Ignatius – Francis Xavier: talk – what do you know? And then what?...pushed … getting old? Die? And then what? – was leading a journey. The gospel is calling you? He helped Francis conclude himself. We stop, we don’t push the questions.

Q: The appreciation of what is my innermost desire, is very important for  . Its plocks people for desiring.
A: We will know, what is the truly desiring. Some priest left the ministry. In the past they were attracted in the context, when were afraid to meet girls (cultural envrionemtn). And so, later on, when they become more confident about themselves, Maria comes, he can talk, enjoy her company and ….. Social shyness is a big problem for many cultures.. (Filipinos)
The reason why I enter vocation, is not important as the reason I stay in vocation now! Will I still remain a priest now? It’s really crucial motivation now. It’s influential. In the start there are mixed motivation, no impure motivation, you should expect that. Human being takes long time to become single minded. (I married to soon, I married under social pressure, social shame on the family – 75% catholic marriages are anulllable in the Philipines due to the social pressure….) It does mean, that people make the wrong choices. [God is in the second chance, too….. US edit moral theology book= about the second catholic marriage]

Danger for ‘close up your identity’ before knowing yourself, only when you look at the real alternative, you can make a true choice (Maria likes you back.. = now is becomes your true choice, in the mid 30 – midlife crises is good, when it comes in the 60th can be late..)

Becoming virtues (Aristotelian way)
Intellectual virtue can be taught
Moral virtue can’t be taught, its doing.  Has be chosen. It’s learning, choosing, doing – and nobody can do in your place!
Freedom coming up: prove that you are free! By choosing! I only prove that I’m free, only after loosing something, I gain other possibilities. It’s the reason why the decision are becoming difficult. That’s the paradox of freedom. (ex: Filipino ‘revolving door romance – for the youngsters today – you like Elena, Brigita, Juanita…. As well, all of them). The choice can’t be taught.

Weakness of will
One may have intellectual, but not moral will.
One may know, what to do, but not to do it.
A weak willed person lacks the ability (Lord, make me celibate, but not today…) to do the right thing, even when he/she knows what it is. How can we develop the will power?
(Irishman praying in front of the pub – Good Lord, give me the strong will, not to enter…)
We will become good, by doing often good things. It requires develop habits.
What should I do in my life? (now using ‘ want’) What kind of action ? – is related, to the clarity of ‘what kind of person’ I want to be, to become! Until this question is answered, it is confused, and conflicted. Practical wisdom, means good habits.

Practical wisdom of Aristoteles mirrored in the modern psychology
Right thing
Right time
Right way
For the right reason – because of practice ( he would not accept abstract values)

But in the consumeristic society: a myth to get all…. (is breaking)
Virtues and vices – balance for Aristoteles… selfesteem… too much virtue….
PM session
Implications of philosophy to the psychology and formation process
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Mike McGuire introduction:
Where we start from? The implicit assumptions – that I’m not aware of.

Feedback: Invite supervision into formation field? Somebody who is in touch with us – about celibacy, motivations – asking the expert to supervise. That’s a working process, not many congregations are doing it. We should continue slowly.


PSYCHOLOGY in the philosophical roots (ppt): SELF and VIRTUES in Greek philosophy

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Explanation model

1.Levels-of-explanation model – theology, psychology, DNA approach (biology, chemistry)
Strengths:
It’s very difficult to find a psychological value free system (each has own world view)
Avoids problems to misinterpret the Bible
Shaped contemporary psychology in areas like psychology of religion, forgiveness, theraphy
[80 – all formators trained in canon law – dogma – philosophy; and became a condition for becoming a bishop = the highest science to become a bishop; not sure of Scripture scholars as bishops]. Some trends in the Church: Colombans have only 5 psychologist. Many congregations afraid they will leave. Suspicion
Weakness
Secularism is unfair to Christians, forbide Catholics work with their worldview/ Christian values – pretending: both sides putting each other down. Prevented Bible to contribute to the psychology. Very popular among the protestants – first trying to understand the psychology outside from the philosophical point of view. Easily leading to syncretism. Homosexuality explained like gene-based (not nature, but nurture issue).

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Goal: integration of psychology and theology, the proper interpretation of modern psychology according the Christian worldview; ethical integration – goal is to live Christianity in one’s personal and professional life.
Afraid: too much power to the Church – “All truth is God’s truth”
Weakness: Secular psychology is un-true.

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First human process, only later on the spiritual processes (community problem solved through the Holy Hour).
God, tell to my fellow… to shut the door quietly. God – you yourself should to do it!
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Bible is God’s word for soul care. Simplistically used by Protestants, does not point on the hidden footprints of God in our life. The marriage between psychology and theology, Bible is not an easy matter. Sophistication came at the end of this behaivor – focus on attachment, idols, on heart.. [Vow of detachment… better than vow of poverty….] It’s not a quick fix for the relationship, it’s a slow necessary process – the reason of the conflict of desires in our hearts.

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Apostle Paul
Augustine
Julian of Norwich
John Bunyan
Soren Kierkegaard
Paul Ricouer
Luigi Rulla
James McMahon
Paul Vitz
Bernard Lonergan

Christian psychology model (page 5)

What major disctinctives will characterize a Christian psychology
God is the center of human life
Eschatological – teleological, theological: life is oriented towards an end.
Humans are situated within a grand theo-drama in which the triune God is gradually and increasingly manifesting himself and his glory
The Theodrama – summed up: creation, fall, redemption, consumptation
Two stories = God and human: at the end we will understand our life through God’s story: God – self - others
Four dimensional relational model of human life (biological: body/brain; psychosocial, ethical, spiritual: soul)

This new framework was recognized – since does recognize the Primacy of God

Luigi Rulla, SJ (heart surgeon, became Jesuit, psychologist)
Deep outlook into dynamics of vocation
The anthropology of Christian vocation (difficult, to be read in small doses) – interdisciplinary approach.

Theo Centric Theory of Person
Levels of self-transcedency
Egocentric
Social philanthropic Self transcendent
Theocentric self transcendence

Classes of values
Terminal values
Instruments


The only life not worth living is the ‘not reflected life’ Fulton Sheen.
Cfr. The purpouse driven life (40 days Ignatian retreat frame) – recent bestseller
Cfr. Marriage couples movements bring them to bring reflectiveness into their life

We need methods how to bring our young Salesians to reflect.

Picture:  Ideal self – Values -  Needs – Attitudes – Behaviour leading tendencies
(dynamic of change)
Giving a paradigm what causes confusion (for Christ competing with attraction to Maria, for being famous, to win a lot of money: competing desires, not sinfull; pre-disposing us to change…)
Formation now is what (looking at this diagram)?
We bring about awareness, self knowledge, what is pulling their heart here?
Which one of them is bringing their motivation?
What’s going to be changed? (in the person) – Attitudes!
– formators can work on the attitudes, but on behaviours can’t be worked, can’t be change!
Formation is about changing attitudes!

Feedbacks from the group sharing [What strikes you today?]

We need more preparation as formators.
How can we form candidate from non-european background with western thinking?
(Rulla research is cross cultural – America, Europe, Asia,
Quoting the Chinese view of self: private self – remains basically unchangable and public self – manages external situation (split into two self systems) – similar to the European psychology. There is no significant difference between them. There is only social interaction difference. (persona – my mask, my external self)
The nature of the relationship to set with the candidates is CRUCIAL for the formation process – to set a confidential atmosphere of TRUST. (not the inputs, but the confidence is the point). Don’t’ exclude the Asians. So in our center we are very strict with the confidentiality… [The provincial would like to know, what the work of the councilor is, we can’t reveal it; seminarians for the admissions just two months before the ordinations – you should give them more chance, nobody acted; Once trust can be built up, man of any culture can open himself up, only need of time]
To know himself is very, very important.
Need of coaching is felt – after the seminar, follow up for the present formators.
If you are stuck, find somebody who can help you, talk to somebody (in formation, or has some experience).
NB: Very happy with the Christian psychology – in order not to weaken the faith, vocation – like some SDB studying psychology at public University.
  You show me, your religious practice are changing your life! (Freud, Gandhi)
Need of consistent approach to formation, but vocation is also a mystery. We ourselves are baffled, that we are staying. Why I’m staying, in spite of four crisis in the past. When I hear similar experiences of crisis in my formation praxis, they left, they left even the Church. There is definitely the great mystery of God and man. The sacred space where God and man are in great dialogue. Just to be affascinators for this great depth dialogue. But we don’t know, when and how it is happening. People will never change, if they are not prepared to change, will start to grow, if they are prepared within their mistakes…
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DAY THREE – JANUARY 4, 2008
Eucharist: presided by Fr. Rolo Alcasid – homily (First Friday of the month, of the year; Focus on the Gospel – What do you want from me? Come and see!)


TOPIC: THE CHRISTIAN VIEW OF PSYCHOLOGY

AM session:
EAO mobile: Wrap up of yesterday: broadening our paradigm – of course eclectic way (when we speak or offer some program about sexuality. Definition of RL does include the vows.
Vowed life and Consecrated Life – consecration for the mission, in our salesian understanding the vows are in the core values of the. In the integral model we find God – in own life, in the communion, in the world – the living God present in all, God who integrates everything. (Explaining the ‘main body’ structure of SDB Constitutions).
Challenge remaining: 1. Names to certain ‘practices’ – stressing just one element due to the historical, cultural situation – can vary from time to time. 2. The key is the process itself (5 aspects of Lonegan – experience, understanding, valuing – discernment, doing)

Mike introduction:
Where we start from? More powerful one, are the implicite assumptions – that I’m not aware about. How I imagine, that people change, that people learn? It’s important to know, where I stand: all these assumptions are important for the formative process. You hope, people would have in the team a basic agreement, how they understand the Church, RL, the process of learning, of vocational growth – it having a big impact on our work, on our preaching service as well. Yesterday we tried to look for paradigm – the whole set of practices, believes we carry on. We need, the formandi – ‘this is my hope for this year – this is my expectation’ – as formators in teaching. In our present time there teaching plan should be approved, also being supervised – this is not happening in our formation, there is no accountability. Who is my superviser – this is a key element in learning, but in RL circles we don’t! (maybe only hidden). We should keep our own assessment as formators, it keeps us in disadvantage. We try to sharpen – what should be done, what is the impact. It needs be monitored, talked about. This is the new thing about formation at the present time. The openness – people watching us, the best is to made the observations in the teaching (class), but never did see it ithe formation environment, just to be at mercy of the formators. We should have the same accountability as the secular teachers. Syllabus to be asked, it’s not our habit (dogma, philosophy), there is a dialogue between the professor and the students. (Irish story of 2.5 years to get the seminary professor to be accustomed to the teaching plans, curriculum, supervision).
Due to that, for two days we were looking at our assumptions about the church, the world, the religious life.

Feedback: Invite supervision into formation field? Somebody who is in touch with us – about celibacy, motivations – asking the expert to supervise. But some psychologist are not helpful to formation. The humanistic psychologist have problem with God experience. Big problems seen with that. For example – some psychologist presumed: if you were never sexually active, you can’t be mature” – don’t’ call this psychology. For example what do you teach in the novitiate about ‘celibacy’, how do you go to present it, in what paradigm?
That’s a working process, not many congregations are doing it. We should continue slowly.

EAO mobile: For the next 6 years we are in the process of personalization (Fr. Cereda’s direction for the future – if ever is in charge). In the vocational fragility survey – ‘there was no process’ in formation, the vocational accompaniment was lacking.

Some essentials of our ‘being religious – missionaries’?

We are lost in details, need to look continually about essentials. Ask the formandi ‘what does mean for the prenovices, novices’ express in the ‘power point’ presentation / or display. That is the methodology of integration for the formandi. It’s not banking, it’s participative. The student is the one who is the subject of the learning.

Fr. Mike showing some “Examples of one exercise of young candidates shown (ppt – international congregation)”:
Symbols of themes: angels, bible, prayer, priest – consecration, being more, like Jesus in, the listener – Jesus, loving presence (no need of telling I love you, but demonstrated in attitude, sharing of life – resources, listening to Father’s will
Trinitarian relationship in the RL, help to find God amidst the life, people listening together (summary of sisters group)
Group identity: Trinitarian spirituality, following Jesus – international congregations, in missionary service all over the world
Why are we doing this? God has put us here for his purpouse, God will accomplish his plan, with or without us, he has never withheld his calling (work) from his children, if they only ask; he want to join God the Father in His work, instead of asking him to join us in ours.
Fundamentals:  empowering choices of the candidates (without fear!)
OUR WAY                  HIS WAY (summary)
Personal agenda,              Empty hands
Cycle of fear                  Circle of faith
It’s all about me              It’s not about you
Chosen few                  Each one
Science politics              House of decisions
Joshua 24,15

Strategic foundation: God’s calling to us
(cost of the discipleship, after experience of his presence: mystiques and ascetism)
Mission (purpouse), Values (boundaries),…

What does it mean?
He is already calling you to join Him

We pray for?
Discernment
Discerning leaders
Wiling hands and minds
Resources

We celebrate what God has done in and through all… (now, not after my ordination)

This gives joy to God, mutual exchange with God (noble purpose – make God joyfull…) A shift from not offending God to willing participation in the God’s mission.

Symbol living
Symbol what is seen
What is not seen
Intuited reality –his presence, sensed

His mission for us
The mission of Trinity is..
Teaching, serving, reaching& sharing Christ…

Sharing in small groups:
It’s happening in the daily life (ex: during the gospel sharing, community planning and evalution, apostolate preparation and evaluation) ; as Jesus did, as Don Bosco did; asking questions, making formandi aware: KOR
Personal plan of life, formation plan (objectives given, but strategies made together in the formation community): FIN
God is transcendent and Incarnated, working through individuals and community (AUL)
God is totally immanent, because is totally transcendent and viceversa (CIN)
Supervision – matter of couching, help the disciples how to learn, to assimilate the skills. How can I work out (couch can teach the swimming, but everybody has the personal limitations, everybody can work out, what is the best for him). When we go back to our places, the follow up is very important – supervision of EAO mobile team is requested..
Mike:
‘Formator’ is big word (only in the RL context), better to talk about ‘mentor’. Latin words never works in English – formator is above the formandi,… ‘Facilitator’ sounds better.

Preliminary to the talk
PSYCHOLOGY in the philosophical roots                (ppt)
SELF and VIRTUES in Greek philosophy

Socrates – Courage – what kinds of courage?
Does not run away. Fighting is not ever courageous.  Too narrow and too broad.
Purity – single minded – pure heart, not narrowly applicated only to the 6&9.commandment.
All virtues are connected

Weakness of will
I know I should exercise
But I don’t’ want to
So I don’t.
Knowing the better.
Don’t the worse.
WHY? – common experience, if you ‘really know’ (Socrates)

Teaching  -  information is not enough.
NB: Reinoso – Virtue is the habit to do good. Human learning and growing.

Making distinctions – for the FORMATION PROCESS

Platons’ divided soul – an existential divided unity (possible fight each other/ or harmonized)

Rational element: (reason) -  thinks
Appetivive element: (desire) - wants
Spirited element: (will)    – feels

We should be careful not put the 3 elements against each other. If we overemphasize just one, the imbalance is creating the (in the church history: agree contra…) non productive formation growth – partial growth. Human growth is the harmonization of all 3 elements.
A huge importance for formation! We are looking for the internal consistency (Rulla).
Formation is to look for the consistency, to surface the

Agere sequitur esse! Action follows being, who you are!
If you have conflicts in yourself, you will show confusing actions!

Comparison to the chariot ( Plato’s soul) – a hidden reality (noble and not noble horse…)
So we help the formandi to verbalize their inner dynamics (desire vs. will, reason vs….) This is the being of humanity, these different kinds of conflicts.

Kinds of conflict
Conflicts put parts of the soul pull in different directions
Rational vs. appetitive element
Appetitive vs. spirited element
Rational vs. spirited element

Before you begin to start two conditions.
1.you know yourself
2.the humility to accept yourself as you are (being)- huge conditions for change
But we have many masks, patience, tolerance towards myself – to create the accepting attitude is the ground work, basis for growth. If you are hating, disliking yourself no way to grow.

Sharing – open forum
Without using the self-rejection, we bring it softly ‘if you like to be a salesian, you should ALSO be ready to change’.
It struck me a very subtle judgement, you imply a rejection – even if saying ‘an acceptance’. It’s not giving a challenge to the candidate?
Agree, but it’s at much later stage.
The other part would not happen without acceptance (=the change!)
Here and now, is the place you are loved.
The yearly years of formation slowly help them to accept them, only later on articulating and help them to discern. For this one the prenovitate stage is very important.
Who is the driver (charioteer?) = for Plato would be the higher self, for us differently.

A lot of our action is not sinful, it opens a large perspective.

A person is existencially divided unity, also experientially divided unity. The reason, the will, the appetites.

Recognize the ITM position. SDB showing, what should be the ideal Salesian. In such a way of forming, we are molding, when rather helping to grow the seed. Sometimes we say, here is a mango, but the vocational seed is a banana. And person is going out of the seminary, feeling he is not good enough because became banana and not mango.

We ‘close’ identity. It’s a matter of timing.

In past with the neophytes we formed salesian before forming Christians, also before human maturity.

The journey is more nuanced than the teaching

First step of self acceptance, self journey.

Formation Delegate meeting (October 2007) we recognized the Aspirantate should be longer, to prepare them better. To remove this time-frame is important.. But for the novitiate, there is a external pressure, “If I ndont’ take profession with my companions, ordained…in time. Becoming reject, slow learner”.

Plato is true, but not complete. Coming to it later.

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Virtue as rational control = as solution of this conflict
lot of our formation followed this path
subjecting the un-noble horses to the firm control of the driver (reason)
each must play his proper role

Now we miss teachers  to explain the concept of SIN clearly:
difficulty to express it
SIN: grave matter – clear knowledge – full consent (church criteria for mortal sin)
Plato forgot one element
With the primitive catechesis faithful, how do I describe in adult terms wrongdoing
Transition period in the Church: is not fruitful to the old formulas, with courage look for the new expressions.

Virtue as balance
Each part of the soul has its role to play, a function
Aristotle insight about GOODS
–  instrumental goods (desire is good in itself) ex: vows are good as instruments for union with God, following Jesus; in the DB’s diamond dream the vows are at the back…
intrinsic goods (desired for their own sake) ex:

Formation (should be tailored for the individual)
= stages, no class, group formation – in big numbers formation is ‘impossible’
= appropriate, proportionate, experiential, individual formation frame (Rulla)
= we form the concrete man/women (common - generic formation impossible: same exercice fit all, when the class breaks down, all collapses….)

Q: You can’t ask to have 30 minute meditation if they are not (proportionate goal according the personal capacity – starting with 5-10 minutes).


Happiness? What will make you happy? (Aristotle)
One thing is always desired for its own sake, never for the sake of something else: happiness
Happiness: eudaimonia = living well – flourishing
What does that’ require? Prosperity and luck, yes, but more.
Never for something else, only when something is desired for itself.
Adapted for the Relationship with God – desire God for Himself, not what he is giving me. (Frankl: Happiness is a by product)
If you live well, you are happy: Analogies – a good knife cuts well (= a good, happy knife; Good teacher – happy teacher, Good persons performs his life well, function?)
What is the function of the good person?

What is the function of the human being? = what is special about human being.
Basic question of Ignatius during the 40 days retreat
What is special about the human being (eyes – to see, teacher – to teach…)
Premise of the reason: human acts according the human reason (consistent)

Virtue – excellence
Two kinds – in rationality, intellectual virtue; in activity, moral virtue

Q: We can’t avoid that theology is based on a good philosophy, good knowledge of human nature.
Q: WE SDB since ever emphasize the ‘will power’ (see Dominic Savio –I want to become a saint!).
A: Agree – the will needs the rational soul, if not the will is blind. For the human growth we need the harmony. But you don’t tell him ‘you want this’, he must do by himself. [in the mall, I can just give you money for bying one doll. What is the dilemma of the child? Going around for one hour! He wants (really) all dolls! – it’s the same dilemma of Aristotle – Choose just one! Why did he throw just the new one? It’s too painful, since he wanted all, not just one. We should have the patience with the young, they should find by themselves what they want (Ignatius – Francis Xavier: talk – what do you know? And then what?...pushed … getting old? Die? And then what? – was leading a journey. The gospel is calling you? He helped Francis conclude himself. We stop, we don’t push the questions.

Q: The appreciation of what is my innermost desire, is very important for  . Its plocks people for desiring.
A: We will know, what is the truly desiring. Some priest left the ministry. In the past they were attracted in the context, when were afraid to meet girls (cultural envrionemtn). And so, later on, when they become more confident about themselves, Maria comes, he can talk, enjoy her company and ….. Social shyness is a big problem for many cultures.. (Filipinos)
The reason why I enter vocation, is not important as the reason I stay in vocation now! Will I still remain a priest now? It’s really crucial motivation now. It’s influential. In the start there are mixed motivation, no impure motivation, you should expect that. Human being takes long time to become single minded. (I married to soon, I married under social pressure, social shame on the family – 75% catholic marriages are anulllable in the Philipines due to the social pressure….) It does mean, that people make the wrong choices. [God is in the second chance, too….. US edit moral theology book= about the second catholic marriage]

Danger for ‘close up your identity’ before knowing yourself, only when you look at the real alternative, you can make a true choice (Maria likes you back.. = now is becomes your true choice, in the mid 30 – midlife crises is good, when it comes in the 60th can be late..)

Becoming virtues (Aristotelian way)
Intellectual virtue can be taught
Moral virtue can’t be taught, its doing.  Has be chosen. It’s learning, choosing, doing – and nobody can do in your place!
Freedom coming up: prove that you are free! By choosing! I only prove that I’m free, only after loosing something, I gain other possibilities. It’s the reason why the decision are becoming difficult. That’s the paradox of freedom. (ex: Filipino ‘revolving door romance – for the youngsters today – you like Elena, Brigita, Juanita…. As well, all of them). The choice can’t be taught.

Weakness of will
One may have intellectual, but not moral will.
One may know, what to do, but not to do it.
A weak willed person lacks the ability (Lord, make me celibate, but not today…) to do the right thing, even when he/she knows what it is. How can we develop the will power?
(Irishman praying in front of the pub – Good Lord, give me the strong will, not to enter…)
We will become good, by doing often good things. It requires develop habits.
What should I do in my life? (now using ‘ want’) What kind of action ? – is related, to the clarity of ‘what kind of person’ I want to be, to become! Until this question is answered, it is confused, and conflicted. Practical wisdom, means good habits.

Practical wisdom of Aristoteles mirrored in the modern psychology
Right thing
Right time
Right way
For the right reason – because of practice ( he would not accept abstract values)

But in the consumeristic society: a myth to get all…. (is breaking)
Virtues and vices – balance for Aristoteles… selfesteem… too much virtue….
PM session
Implications of philosophy to the psychology and formation process
(Comparing the five views Christians take to Psychology)

Five levels
Explanation model

1.Levels-of-explanation model – theology, psychology, DNA approach (biology, chemistry)
Strengths:
It’s very difficult to find a psychological value free system (each has own world view)
Avoids problems to misinterpret the Bible
Shaped contemporary psychology in areas like psychology of religion, forgiveness, theraphy
[80 – all formators trained in canon law – dogma – philosophy; and became a condition for becoming a bishop = the highest science to become a bishop; not sure of Scripture scholars as bishops]. Some trends in the Church: Colombans have only 5 psychologist. Many congregations afraid they will leave. Suspicion
Weakness
Secularism is unfair to Christians, forbide Catholics work with their worldview/ Christian values – pretending: both sides putting each other down. Prevented Bible to contribute to the psychology. Very popular among the protestants – first trying to understand the psychology outside from the philosophical point of view. Easily leading to syncretism. Homosexuality explained like gene-based (not nature, but nurture issue).

2.Integration model – science and psychology: interdisciplinary approach
Goal: integration of psychology and theology, the proper interpretation of modern psychology according the Christian worldview; ethical integration – goal is to live Christianity in one’s personal and professional life.
Afraid: too much power to the Church – “All truth is God’s truth”
Weakness: Secular psychology is un-true.

3.Modern pastoral care model
First human process, only later on the spiritual processes (community problem solved through the Holy Hour).
God, tell to my fellow… to shut the door quietly. God – you yourself should to do it!
Stop using the techniques indiscriminately.

4.Biblical counseling ‘biblio theraphy’
All you need is the Scripture. Q: How to marry the Scripture and Psychology
Bible is God’s word for soul care. Simplistically used by Protestants, does not point on the hidden footprints of God in our life. The marriage between psychology and theology, Bible is not an easy matter. Sophistication came at the end of this behaivor – focus on attachment, idols, on heart.. [Vow of detachment… better than vow of poverty….] It’s not a quick fix for the relationship, it’s a slow necessary process – the reason of the conflict of desires in our hearts.

5.Christian psychology model – contemporary
Apostle Paul
Augustine
Julian of Norwich
John Bunyan
Soren Kierkegaard
Paul Ricouer
Luigi Rulla
James McMahon
Paul Vitz
Bernard Lonergan

Christian psychology model (page 5)

What major disctinctives will characterize a Christian psychology
God is the center of human life
Eschatological – teleological, theological: life is oriented towards an end.
Humans are situated within a grand theo-drama in which the triune God is gradually and increasingly manifesting himself and his glory
The Theodrama – summed up: creation, fall, redemption, consumptation
Two stories = God and human: at the end we will understand our life through God’s story: God – self - others
Four dimensional relational model of human life (biological: body/brain; psychosocial, ethical, spiritual: soul)

This new framework was recognized – since does recognize the Primacy of God

Luigi Rulla, SJ (heart surgeon, became Jesuit, psychologist)
Deep outlook into dynamics of vocation
The anthropology of Christian vocation (difficult, to be read in small doses) – interdisciplinary approach.

Theo Centric Theory of Person
Levels of self-transcedency
Egocentric
Social philanthropic Self transcendent
Theocentric self transcendence

Classes of values
Terminal values
Instruments


The only life not worth living is the ‘not reflected life’ Fulton Sheen.
Cfr. The purpouse driven life (40 days Ignatian retreat frame) – recent bestseller
Cfr. Marriage couples movements bring them to bring reflectiveness into their life

We need methods how to bring our young Salesians to reflect.

Picture:  Ideal self – Values -  Needs – Attitudes – Behaviour leading tendencies
(dynamic of change)
Giving a paradigm what causes confusion (for Christ competing with attraction to Maria, for being famous, to win a lot of money: competing desires, not sinfull; pre-disposing us to change…)
Formation now is what (looking at this diagram)?
We bring about awareness, self knowledge, what is pulling their heart here?
Which one of them is bringing their motivation?
What’s going to be changed? (in the person) – Attitudes!
– formators can work on the attitudes, but on behaviours can’t be worked, can’t be change!
Formation is about changing attitudes!

Feedbacks from the group sharing [What strikes you today?]

We need more preparation as formators.
How can we form candidate from non-european background with western thinking?
(Rulla research is cross cultural – America, Europe, Asia,
Quoting the Chinese view of self: private self – remains basically unchangable and public self – manages external situation (split into two self systems) – similar to the European psychology. There is no significant difference between them. There is only social interaction difference. (persona – my mask, my external self)
The nature of the relationship to set with the candidates is CRUCIAL for the formation process – to set a confidential atmosphere of TRUST. (not the inputs, but the confidence is the point). Don’t’ exclude the Asians. So in our center we are very strict with the confidentiality… [The provincial would like to know, what the work of the councilor is, we can’t reveal it; seminarians for the admissions just two months before the ordinations – you should give them more chance, nobody acted; Once trust can be built up, man of any culture can open himself up, only need of time]
To know himself is very, very important.
Need of coaching is felt – after the seminar, follow up for the present formators.
If you are stuck, find somebody who can help you, talk to somebody (in formation, or has some experience).
NB: Very happy with the Christian psychology – in order not to weaken the faith, vocation – like some SDB studying psychology at public University.
  You show me, your religious practice are changing your life! (Freud, Gandhi)
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!!!!!DAY TWO – JANUARY 3, 2008
Eucharist: president Fr. Peter Rankin – short homily (Focus on witnessing – looking at our life, recalled the JPII ‘Duc in Altum’).

Today is the canonical visitation of the Provincial house community by Fr. Theparat

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'''Morning session:'''

EAO mobile: First we should personally focus on our personal vocational growth. Yesterday the focus was on the concept of freedom & responsibility, about the background and background of our young Salesians. It was a preliminary work for the formation processes, to verbalize together in what consist our understanding of person, freedom.

Mike McGuire: Exercise – to verbalise in 5 minutes ‘what is religious life?’ according you?

Sharing on Religious Life paradigm

Sharing in small groups (2-3 persons):

1. Classic paradigm – looking for greater perfection (holiness)

What is the Salesian paradigm?  Recognize that the ratio goes back this paradigm.

2. Modern paradigm

Born from the impact of Vatican II (stress on the call to holiness, justice and peace are integral part of the gospel proclamation – commitment to the world).

Sharing in small groups

3. Postmodern paradigm

Trying to overcome the paradigm, is a shift trying to overcome the deviations after Vat II, also to recover the essence of Religious Life.
Formation for mission (new focus). Some still focus on person-centered formation. Some want to experience discipleship (invited by Jesus Mk 8, sent by God).

3.Sacramental model – a new attempt by the Church

Dilemma

a)The ecclesiological tradition of Trent and Vatican I, which strongly accentuated the external elements of belonging to the Church

b)The tradition of the Reformation that stressed the opposite poles.

c)The Council found in the category ‘sacramentum’ a bridge between the two traditions. The model of sacramentum of RL seems fit to hold the two together. The external dimension of the Catholic tradition is maintained. There is no sacrament without visible sign.

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Modernity and Postmodernity: values the inner person and his autonomy

Conclusion

Our present culture has a real hunger for meaning, for reasons to live, to hope. We have experienced the ‘hidden treasures’.

GROUP SHARING – on the paradigms

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Personalisation of formation

The choice of the theme comes from the short survey made during the EAO rector formation in Hua Hin, last August. Main request of the formation house rectors asked to be helped with
- evaluation of formandi: formation process, effectiveness,
- individual spiritual direction
- deepen the Salesian spirituality
- foster the human maturity of the young salesians
 
Dynamics: Daily Eucharist, homily with lauds; 4 working sessions – with input, sharing, clarifications

Michael McGuire, originally from Ireland, 20 years long formation experience, Rulla school of formative psychology of Gregorian University Rome. Now is the Ongoing formation center, Manila – training priests and religious (Myanmar experience).

!!!!!DAY ONE – JANUARY 2, 2008

Eucharist: presided over by Fr. Theparat with a short homily

EAO: welcome to Bangkok. Short introduction to the formation:


- 2006.8  Formation delegates decided to start an annual formation of formators (January)
- 2007.1  Workshop in Sampran: Don Bosco Studies (fr.Giraudo) – joint by SF members
- 2007.2. EAO provincials decision: 2008 for the ‘rectors of formation houses’ in 2008
- 2007.8  EAO  rectors formation – short survey about January topics: convergence on ‘Personalisation of formation’ – Ratio, chapter 4 (‘the rector of formation communities is responsible FOR THE PERSONAL FORMATION PROCESS OF EACH CONFRERE’)

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